JMTC Wow Gold Forum

He just sounds butthurt to be honest. Most likely stuck on 2k gold, and faked some screenshots to troll this forum. Don't give this guy your time, he is just jealous because he has never made any gold.

Dear Whitewolf,

When I read that guys reply, I thought it was the biggest example of nerd rage I've seen in a long while. While I applaud you to take this under control so professionally and quickly, deep down, I really wished this turn into a Jerry Springer rerun.

Yours Sincerely,
The Unhelpful "And Loving It" Sweetiebird.


Anyway, on a separate topic... For people who want to make gold without risking the possibility of buying from a gold seller (or having them hack your account) buying those CCG cards is an excellent way for some players to earn gold without having to put in the time investment of earning their gold... oh, the way... Buying CCG Mounts from ebay and selling them on their auction house. While this method goes against the spirit of these forums, it remains a reasonable method for those without time or for those who nerd rage too quick to learn anything on a forum.

Whitewolf, are you going to ban everyone who dosn't like this forum or is saying something against you?

I'm not on his said and l agree he could have said his opinion in a better way but still.

You didn't even argue with him, you just banned him.. If that's your way to moderator this site..

Sincerely,

"Waiting for a suspension"

I personally think a response such as Kingkiro's was deserving of atleast a temporary ban. And in case he's reading this, which I'm sure he is, I gave you numerous options on your other posts in regards to what you could do with materials as well as the timing of sales/buying (all you had to do was some basic math to see if it would work on your server).

And to try and claim that nearly everyone or at least most people have blogs linked in an attempt to leech RL money, is a difficult to prove, harsh claim with little verifiable proof. May also want to work on your temper control, seeing as you just blew up when people were asking relatively simple questions.

I don't really want to weigh in on this but I'm bored so... I think a ban is justified and warranted. If this was a longtime member or someone who normally contributed constructively then I can understand a temp ban. This is someone who walked in off the street, asked for help, was not satisfied with the degree of help received and slandered 90% of the people who use this forum. This person was not helpful. they are not the type of person you want contributing to the forums.

In response to another poster on this thread I have disagreed with people before on these forums and never received even a warning. However my disagreements were just that I disagree with your assessment because x,y,z. Not you're wrong go crawl in a hole and die. If you'd like we can resurrect the 'worst profession in wow' thread. I am in the minority defending engineering as not the worst profession. I will attack your arguements but I will not attack you. That is the difference between myself and the op. It is also the difference between ban and no ban.

Gear

You'll be in a state of suspension for a while, waiting for me to ban you for those harmless remarks. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. If I did, I would have locked the thread or deleted it entirely. (I do admit a momentary temptation to rename it to "The Jackass, It Was Hit...Hard.")

Actually, I've only ever permabanned one other individual and that's because he was stalking and harassing another member. I may have issued two, maybe three warnings to individuals that could have been spambots but to whom I gave the benefit of the doubt. I did once ~barely~ resist the urge to ban one now-well-known blogger for their abrupt and rude refusal(s) to my request(s) that they remove an excessive amount of unrelated links in their signature. (The sad part about that is I actually like his blog and respect his knowledge, but his manner....not so much.)

But I digress...

Like everyone else here, I joined these forums about two years ago to listen, learn, brag, stroke my own ego and have my ego stroked for me. I fault no one for coming here for any of those dubious reasons.

I'm personally willing to argue about gold making strategies, patch speculation, boxers or briefs, spit or swallow or why the Gamera films from the 1990's were actually a little better than the Godzilla films from the same period. Pretty much anything. I have no real problem letting people argue out most things to their hearts' content without participating in every debate.

The real problem I read into his response was a problem we've seen creeping more and more into these forums. A attitude of "entitlement" coupled with the temperment of a mentally disturbed 12 year-old. (Apologies to legitimate, mentally disturbed 12 year-olds.)

Lately, a lot of new members don't want to wade down 1 or 2 topic threads to get the answer to their basic questions, instead feeling the need to post a new thread covering the same subject. Or they want yes or no answers to questions that don't really have yes or no answers. They usually don't want to hear how they should learn to crawl before attempting running. Hint: All the "gold masters" crawled at one point in their careers.

Some people make the mistake when they join, that JMTC is like every other forum they've encountered, be they the official Wow forums or MMO-orons. They believe their asinine behaviour will be tolerated because they're a valued paying customer, or only one of a horde of idiots so that their boorish behaviour won't stand out.

We don't demand that every member make any sort of valuable contributions whatsoever to our knowledgebase or sense of community. However, I personally do demand that they not behave in such a manner as to detract from them.

We practice the commonlaw interpretation of Freedom of Speech here. Everyone has the right to say what they want, but don't be surprised if what you say has consequences, as I, as a member, have the right to not listen. As a moderator, I have an obligation to weed out a disruptive element that chooses to burn down the library because they couldn't find the book they wanted, calling the librarians fat and ugly while lighting the match.

Make no mistake. This individual was well-spoken. It's not a case of him being unable to express his ideas well. No lost-in-translation problem. The problem is he expressed them too well. Using the librarian metaphor again, his message wouldn't have been much better had he called us "plump and unattractive."

The individual in question should have no beef with being banned. Go back and read his remarks. He spent hours pouring through postings and found little of any value to him. He obviously doesn't like most of the individuals he encountered here and has a pretty low opinion of those whom he believes is keeping "the real information" to themselves as they grow rich off of his mouseclicks. Here, let me issue him a full refund...oh wait...I can't give him back those valuable hours of his life. Instead I did the next best thing, eliminating the temptation for him to waste further precious hours here. It's not like we're the only place to get this information. And maybe he's learned a valuable life-lesson on how he should keep his temper in check

Whitewolf and I are often on opposite ends of what should happen and I'm still around... Actually, the one thing that we both agree upon is.... how do you put it.... Self sufficiency and the reduction of spoon feeding lazy ingrates.

Disagreeing and debate is often a function that leads to improvements. Someone disagreed that Auctioneer/Auctionator were the best possible tools for listing your auctions and QuickAuctions was spawned.

I'll disagree with Whitewolf on his reasons for the ban. I believe that people should be entitled to their opinion... as long as they behave in a professional (or at least civil manner). He failed to be civil in portraying his message, and for that deserved the ban... but that doesn't mean that his message should be completely ignored.

Some of the things that he was saying had a fair point and others were sparked from either his frustration of not being handed the silver bullet to making gold or his misunderstanding of how gold is made. The fact remains, there is no real silver bullet that works in each and every situation.... Cause if it existed, everyone would do it and then it would no longer exist. Yeah kind of a paradox, but that is the way gold making is.

The trick when someone makes a scathing post like his is to attempt to take things from their perspective. If you felt that "It depends on your server and your situation" was a brush off for the established gold makers to keep the best gold secrets to themselves you may act the same way.

I've made a rather harsh reply to him - though, in all honesty, the first reply I wrote was harsher, and I ended up deleting it immediately.

A number of people, myself included, tried to give him helpful pointers in another thread, explaining among other things that there is no silver bullet. It's legitimate to be frustrated with that answer, but definitely less so to vent that frustration on the very people who we trying to help - and slander them. There's a line between understanding somebody's frustration and tolerating unacceptable behaviour, and he's very clearly crossed that line.

Anyway, as WhiteWolf pointed out, there's no useful information in here, so there's no reason he should regret the ban

Yes, I agreed that he did cross the line. Disapprove of the action. Make the person take responsibility of the action, but also give them the opportunity to make recompense if they choose to go out of their way to do so... if that makes sense?

Perhaps we can all learn from this experience... Probably not