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I was doing some reading at a few different sites when I came across something written by one poster that indicated they had multimillions and had 5 accounts filled with fully levelled characters who could generate obcene amounts of gold monthly.

I'm no slouch when it comes to making gold, but it left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth. I'm not concerned with having the largest goldpile worldwide but I like knowing I can run in a pack with the biggest of dogs.

For one's own sanity, I realized that its unfair to yourself to compare your efforts and achievements to others who chose to go beyond the single account, $15 a month subscription. (I maintain 2 accounts btw.) While there are some additional organizational challenges, anyone can throw more money at a game and multiply their gold-earning potential if only through profession cooldowns and cross-faction trading.

If you really need to compare apples to oranges to bananas to judge your progress and place in the wow universe, you should mentally divide a player's wealth by the number of accounts they run: A single account with 500k = A double account with 1 million = a full multiboxer with 5 accounts with 5 million.

Now don't you all feel better?

Discuss

A bunch of it comes down to the time you spend on making the gold.

I agree that we should see things as a "per-account and then some" thing, especially when it comes to crafters.
Covering all professions on one account, generaly is enough to have a very good cashflow.
When there's no more losing out on the other accounts (as the first one covers everything),
it's easier to fill those accounts up with nothing but cooldown-professions.

If he runs those accounts from 5 different computers, then he also has the computing power to run multiple money-addons at the same time.
Having designated crafters, will also be part of this type of setup, but to me it's just not worth it.
Thing is, when you invest those amounts of real money into making gold, wouldn't buying gold become the economical thing?
You can only actively play one character at a time, sure it'll have everything available for gold in game, but what's the point?

It might be more efficient, but it's also against the terms of use, which might balance things out, depending on your point of view.


That's the real deal-breaker for me. I'd stopped WoW since late vanilla and returned just in time for Cataclysm, so I only have a couple toons around, but even so, I can't find enough time to raid (casually) with my main, run heros with my first reroll, and finish levelling my second reroll and its jewelcrafting/alchemy profs.

Beyond that, there's also the point at which you decide that you'd rather spend time enjoying other sides of the game beyond gold making. I've been hovering in the 110-120k range for a while now, which is more than enough for me to enjoy the game.

The second account is clearly a necessity for big crafters and for ah activities.
It's a huge benefits for playing and enjoying the game.

Especially in Callygraphie, Jewelcrafting.

While prospecting or milling or dezing or crafting ring and so on...
You can actively play on the second account, farming herbs/ore, camping auction house, camping rare mobs, leveling, archeology and so on...

As a big crafter and AH player and "farmer" => Insane in the membrane, Professor titile and so on...
I can't play anymore with only one account.

Since 4.0 we can't click a button and all glyphs are cancelled and reposted, we need an active confirmation...


Don't forget that some are playing in family or with irl friends and easily share their loging information.
So logged on two accounts is more frequent that the numbers of people that buys for two accounts.

I don't have plan to have more accounts as it will be like buying golds to blizzard. And I don't see more benefits than I already have with my two accounts.

Nice to see we've got some conversation going:)



There are several directions I could go with this...I'll try not to go off in too many tangents....

Tangent 1

I feel that everyone has 24 hours in the day and 7 days in a week. An arguement could be made that there ~used~ to be a very strong difference between full-time players and part-time players but the remote AH gives almost everyone the option to participate even if they do have to head off to work for 8-10 hours a day.

Tangent 2

Some people subscribe to the idea of measuring success strictly in the gold/per hour yardstick. The thing is, its subject to the law of diminishing returns. Most markets can absorb only so many of a given crafted item per day. Any additional units produced don't sell and therefore count against gold/hour even though they may save you some time from logging in the following day to produce more. (Many glyph crafters prefer to automate their production and only craft what they intend on selling daily....I prefer to craft full stacks and only have to craft once a week.)

Unless you're farming or producing mats for others' consumption, its hard to measure gold/hour on the most of the high price tag, profitable items. For instance, Darkmoon trinkets. You can measure the time it takes to farm herbs, to mill them, to make the iinks, to produce the cards, to convert them to decks and to travel to the fair to turn them into trinkets. I contend though that the bulk of the time and energy spent on that market is in the strategic posting, reposting and optionally barking in trade as well as any backdoor deals you make with specific Guildmasters to drive their members to your sales. And the formula changes if anywhere in that production line, you supplement your output by buying pre-finished goods (inks and cards) to produce your end product.

A 5 box multiboxer can be doing all those activities at the same time, (if they're willing to break the ToS). With some minimal organizational skill they could be farming on one account while milling on a second, inking on a third, crafting on a fourth while raiding on a fifth. How do you measure THEIR gold/hour? They could log onto all five accounts and have overlapping truegold transmutes and produce 50 in the same time it takes a single account user to make 10 (with 10 alchemist chars.)

I mean even the process of max-levelling all 10 characters on all five RAF accounts gives them a huge time advantage. Avoid the "collect so many of an item" quests and concentrate on the "kill so many of these mobs" ones. Use a keybinding addon and a single mouse click causes five characters to simultaneously cast spells, making all but a few mobs oneshot-able. RAF accounts also multiply exp and gives you the ability to grant levels.

Tangent 3

For those who do subscribe to the gold/hour measurement, do you take into account all the hours you spend researching and reading sites like this? Personally, I know I spend at least 25% of my "playtime", alt-tabbing out to read forums and blogs while I'm converting pigments to inks.

More fodder for discussion. Resume please.

For those who managed to level an alchemist army of 40-50 toons that generates 400k per month for 15 mins logging.
=> The gold/hour is at the maximum.

Why not do it on 4-10 different servers and find a deal with AH tycoon there or tips some crafters for ended craft.

Also pay a transfert from time to time to arbitrate on high value items.

Personnaly if I wanted to make that gold, I would rather find a deal with a top-raiding guild.
Organise their profession-timers / leveling, feed them with mats bougth from farmers and sell the goods.

IMO, this person has more money than sense, way too much time on their hands and realistically - No Life.

I had a 2nd account for a while for X faction trading and AH duties during raids but keeping track of the stockpiles on my original account started giving me headaches and nosebleeds.

As for RAF'ing 20+ Alchemists do these people have any friends? Girlfriends? I'll presume they are male.

Yes I think I'm ready to quit for good although I spend less than 8 hours per week playing now. Usually around an hour here and there and maybe a few hours on a weekday evening for some low lvl PvP.

Cheers for this thread Whitewolf, it sure does drive the message home for me along with the /played results.

/runs off to local AH to go and gank that 5 way boxer's auctions.

Having multiple accounts for profession alts is buying gold. (Bring the flames.)

No one really cared about mutibox crafting in TBC and WotLK because the bulk of your gold still had to come from other players. There were limits with what you could do with prospecting or milling, and profits from transmuting epic gems was kept in check by the free ones coming in from Battlegrounds and Heroics.

The high vendor prices in Cataclysm, however, allowed players to sell directly to the NPCs, with their infinite gold and no threat of market saturation. Now more accounts translates directly into more gold. More dollars sent to Blizzard meant more gold in your account. It's Pay-to-Play, just billed through a different department.

How come we didn't see all of these multibox millionaires in the last two expansions?


It's worse than that. We have downtime when we play, the multiboxer does not. We quest, we raid, we grind faction rep. If we prospect for an hour and play for an hour, we get one hour's worth of prospecting done. If the 5-boxer does the same, he gets 9 hours of prospecting done as his other accounts continue to churn through mats during his "downtime". I'd divide gold totals by double the number of accounts. (My opinion is that a 5-boxer with only 5 million gold at this point in the game is screwing up badly somewhere.)


Making 50 alchemists on 5 accounts would be faster than making 10 on one account. Between RAF bonuses and always questing in groups, the actual playing time needed to level up characters in batches is much less than soloing one character at a time. It's not a question of who has less of a life, it's a question of who will pay Blizzard the extra hundreds or thousands of dollars for the extra accounts.

Having 5 prospectors instead of 1 - or 50 Alchemists instead of 10 - doesn't mean that person is 5 times more gooder at making gold. It means he's paid for 20 game boxes instead of 4 to set it up, and he's paying $75 a month to keep it running. Nothing more, nothing less.

(Disclaimer: My now-closed 2nd account consisted of a level 65 Scribbler used for crafting inks during Glyphmas, and a half-dozen no-profession glyph posters. I had the mats stockpiled for a multibox army of crafters when Cataclysm launched, but some naval gazing led me to a different Path.)