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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:17 pm  
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The line he pointed out ( * Botting (automated gameplay, whether or not a human is present at the computer). ) would also mean the following addons were illegal:

Auctioneer
QuickAuctions
Postal
BankStack

Since they either automatically post auctions (or even cancel them by their automated judgement), open all mail (without refreshing the mailbox, what is the only function of this addon), or moving items back and forth. You may have to press a "start" button for some of the features, but this addon requires you to manually open a mailbox, if they want me to add a "start" button then that's fine...

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The GMs at the UI/Macro forum will be able to give a final answer. Most of the other GMs will not know details about addon coding and just assume automation = bad. It's the best answer they can give without having to verify at a technical developer/GM, but not always as correct.

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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:59 pm  
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Ahh, sounds good. That means probably not till Monday, but I'll live.


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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:00 pm  
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Not the most helpful game master, but basically he is saying the same; warning that an addon automating ingame functions may get you banned, but not confirming whether or not this addon is one of them. Once again, I urge you to be careful and wait for a final answer from a GM that knows all the regulations about addons.

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22:31:35 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: Greetings Zerotorescue, I am Game Master Tarentithia. Sorry to interrupt your play. Do you have a moment so we can deal with the issue concerning your Mailbox Addon?
22:31:52 To [Tarentithia]: Certainly
22:32:04 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: Great :) How are you today?
22:32:20 To [Tarentithia]: I am fine, thanks for asking, how about you? :)
22:32:28 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: I am very well thank you. :)
22:33:03 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: Now then
22:33:06 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: About this addon:
22:33:11 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: Basicaly:
22:33:33 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: Any addon that has any automated action, can be considered a botting mechanism.
22:33:38 To [Tarentithia]: basically what it does every 10 seconds is run a /script CheckInbox and then use a second addon to open the mail
22:33:54 To [Tarentithia]: it's an ingame addon requiring no external tools
22:34:07 To [Tarentithia]: using the provided ingame commands
22:34:13 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: Indeed, but it uses alot of /scripting commands.
22:34:55 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: Basicaly I cannot tell you the exact stand point on this addon, but I will warn you that any addons that use any automated functions can be considered as botting. And can have serious negative effects on one's account
22:35:41 To [Tarentithia]: Is there a posibility that you can verify this with a person that knows the technical stuff about addons? :P
22:36:14 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: This is not a possibility. We cannot say yes or no to specific addons, only advise players.
22:36:18 To [Tarentithia]: I understand your usual reply is to say that automation is bad and to warn the player so that you are not responsible if the player is banned if in any case the addon is against your rules, however, I would like a final answer
22:36:29 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: This is the final answer.
22:37:03 To [Tarentithia]: I was afraid it would be
22:38:21 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/policy/exp ... n.html#mum is where you can see the list of policies for this kind of matter.
22:38:39 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: We cannot say any more on this matter.
22:39:52 <GM>[Tarentithia] whispers: And I shall bid you farewell now, as other players require my assistance.
22:40:12 To [Tarentithia]: alright, bye.

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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:09 pm  
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That was ....uninformative, haha.

Oh well, thanks for trying Zero, and not freaking out on me ;). I'll wait till monday, but i am postively drooling about using your addon.


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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:32 am  
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wingman wrote:
I already have one that hits my prospect/milling macro every 3 seconds so want to be a little bit careful :p

Any spesific details about this? I'd like to get one as well =)


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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:45 am  
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Same deal as in real life. You can be arrested for no reason at all, they leave the laws open ended.

Blizzard will do the same and leave their policies open ended. That way they can deal with people using glider, etc. without worrying about technicalities.

I highly doubt Blizzard cares that I'm checking mail every X seconds because I'd be doing it anyway. This addon basically just frees up my other hand so I can eat my double cheeseburger without getting it wedged into my keyboard somehow.

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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:53 am  
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Ah... so you are mr zerotodkdkdk. Thanks for the heads up on the mod - very nice indeed.


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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:40 pm  
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chazzzle wrote:
Same deal as in real life. You can be arrested for no reason at all, they leave the laws open ended.

Blizzard will do the same and leave their policies open ended. That way they can deal with people using glider, etc. without worrying about technicalities.

I highly doubt Blizzard cares that I'm checking mail every X seconds because I'd be doing it anyway. This addon basically just frees up my other hand so I can eat my double cheeseburger without getting it wedged into my keyboard somehow.


Exactly. By saying the addon is against game policies (without even seeing it or basically knowing anything about it yet), they prevent claims that a GM told them it was by the rules if one would be ignorant enough to ban.

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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:54 am  
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well i do think its a bot, and its a little verbose, but still it's a great addon.

so, thank you :)


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 Post subject: Re: Automatic Mail Opening addon
PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:02 am  
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I was under the impression that anything you could do with the commands made available by Blizzard was allowed.

Once upon a time when addons could buy stuff off the AH without any hardware events from the user, the guys behind Auctioneer made a small addon, Bottomfeeder, that scanned the AH and bought any items deemed a good buy according to your rules.
Of course Blizzard soon after made the buy-action require user input. Bottomfeeder inarguably had a far greater potential for disrupting a servers economy than this small addon ever will.

My guess is that if they don't like this, they will protect the commands used.

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