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 Post subject: Re: Profession Kit
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 8:07 am  
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Valdron wrote:
"why buy it for 5k when you can get all the mats for 2.5k"


Try this comment on for size: "If I farm it then it's free" :roll: I used /facepalm for that one :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Profession Kit
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:14 pm  
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error wrote:
What I really want from a profession leveling kit/guide is to be able to resell the crafted items and recoup as much of my investment as possible, and preferably, to come out ahead. Not even the venerable guides at wow-professions.com entirely succeed at this, though they are the best I've found so far.

In part, this means:

  • Wherever possible I don't want to craft more than 5 of an item unless it's a very fast seller.
  • Wherever possible I want to craft only 1 of any particular item. (I think I crafted 40 Green Iron Bracers; this isn't conducive to making gold.)
  • Wherever possible the items I craft should not be those crafted in mass quantities by other levelers.
  • I am willing to travel to vendors in faraway places to get recipes for this purpose.
  • I am NOT willing to grind reputation to gain access to a recipe solely for profession leveling (though for endgame is fine).
  • Wherever possible I should always be leveling on orange recipes so that I know exactly how many mats I need.

In practice I've taken the leveling guides as a general guideline, and deviated from them whenever I thought I could make gold from a skillup instead of losing gold, even if this meant buying more expensive mats. For instance, Barbaric Bracers in Leatherworking isn't likely to be in anyone's profession leveling guide, but those things can sell for 100g or more, and at level 30 that's some money. :) Spidersilk Boots and Spidersilk Drape in Tailoring are another good example. 25 orange skillups and 25-100g profit each. Those I would make 25 of, and sell 1 or 2 at a time...


If I was a buyer then all of those things would probably be on my list as well. However, I've sold around 20 kits and so I know why the guides don't produce an ideal kit.

The biggest reason is the extra time spent is just not worth it. But here are a few others:
  • Have to purchase/farm unique mats such as spider silk (which in turn takes up more space in your limited guild bank storage system)
  • Altering guides and then explaining to the buyer what to make when (and buyers aren't always the brightest people**) takes extra time
  • Most buyers are only focused on attaining the max-level for that profession and don't care what the guide has them make as long as it delivers 1-450
  • Sometimes you have no option on what to make that will level you, especially when you eliminate recipes that require a reputation or drop
  • Selling items for 25-100g profit is a little silly when you can max the profession and get profits ten times that

**I sold an engineering kit to a warrior who got mad at me for getting stuck at lvl 75. For a second, this alarmed me... I had already sold several engineering kits and noone had ever commented on getting stuck at 75. I started to think that I had forgotten a material or something. Then it dawned on me, he hadn't trained the next level and was sitting at 75/75. Now it's entirely possible that he was just trollin' me, which would have been pretty funny, but the way he talked and how much trouble he had with the rest of the guide makes me think otherwise.

I do include all recipes that are required for leveling from vendors. And I would love a guide that exclusively worked with orange levels so I wouldn't have to worry about a buyer getting RNG'd and becoming upset at me. However, for the most part, grabbing the materials for a few extra potions/armor/enchants/etc. with a yellow skill level is more cost efficient that grabbing the mats to level with the orange recipe. Maybe with the changes to leveling trade skills in Cata we'll throw this all out the window. I'm interested to see what happens!


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 Post subject: Re: Profession Kit
PostPosted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:17 pm  
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Hey guys,

I only heard about profession kits a few days ago on one of Marckos old posts but think its a great idea. I know I would happily pay for some of the professions I have leveled in the past!

A few questions:

Do you guys use a snatch list and buy up over time to save cash or are you just buying whatever as long it will not put you over your threshold?

If you do the guild bank thing does that not mean they would have to leave their guild first? How would this work out with cata guild achievements and perks? Are these updated on the fly?

I'm guessing alchemy would be a good seller due to the new mount it gives; who would not want that?:) Any ideas on this? Maybe market the kit as a "Mount Kit"!

Thanks for all the help everyone who contributes to the forums. Best advice anywhere.


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 Post subject: Re: Profession Kit
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:08 am  
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I too thought this was a great idea when I saw it.
Setup a guild with several tab gbank & started getting mats.
Then started calculating which guide would work the best for RNG procs, etc.
And realized its all too hard for the return.
Gratz to those who got it done, but as Markco himself does, just stock up on mats for these.
You would NEED to setup proper snatch lists & be prepared to pay a current premium for rare stuff & fly around to get all the limited stock pats, etc.
To do the guild bank thing you would have to have someone in it, so if no alts, one of your toons would have to drop. Could sell the guild (ie. inc in price) just before Cata & go back I guess, but yeah, that toon would miss out on most of new guild benefits if in kit guild.
Alchemy would seem to be a good seller, but I think I agree with others, because of new racials rather than just mount.


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 Post subject: Re: Profession Kit
PostPosted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:10 am  
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libelula5 wrote:
Marckos

Markco will probably mame, mutilate, torture and kill you for that :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Profession Kit
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:53 pm  
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Read thru the posts and will offer my input;

I Am on a low pop realm (which I believe makes it crap/harder lol)

Read that post about where someone sold the kits for 5k each with 4k of mats.
That would be ok if u bought from AH, popped a Jeeves, retrieved then advertised for sale.
But I noticed you went out to collect a couple of mats that u were short on?
For me, I believe that's wayyy to much of a mission for the return!

I tried at one stage 18 months ago using the same guild style idea that u mention.
Was with Alchemy and think I was asking for 6k
But I threw the idea away after having to deal with -
1. fools
2. Good people who had a few mats of their own
Or they just needed a few mats they were short of.

Which gave me a new idea that I tried;

I kept stock of the rarer herbs (mainly the rare ones from the popular levelling lists)
And I kept the AH mainly empty of them for a few days.
I would advertise my kit for sale price not stated.
As someone is enquiring about it and the price, I would reclear the AH,
Then jump on an alt and post those 2 or 3 herbs that they would need.
I would post a few stacks of each at 300-400 g

Funnily enough, it was fun for the few days I was lvling alch on an alt.
U could tell the people that would enquire whether or not u could get away with it and how much to charge. They enquire on main toons after seeing the advert after raiding in a decent guild, then tell ya to Foff when u say the price is 10k.
Sure enough tho it gets them keen, they log over and hehe

Only worked about 3 times over the few days, and think got about 500-1k from each.
It's even funnier when they r too lazy to check the AH designs for sale,
Which sometimes might have an option around the levels needed with using cheap herbs!
Then remembered how much better cutting gems and reposting on Ah is :)

On low pop realms when patches come out that affect proffessions and makes people switch profs or lvl Alts quickly within a few days, just remember if it might affect u in the long run. If u r a big flask seller, then pump 10k in keeping the lower mats needed off the AH simply so people can't level them. There's no DIRect way of knowing if u get the 10k back but damn it feels good/funny.


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